Unfortunately humans are just too stupid to be given access to some things. Guns, Social Media
And what better present day example to back than up than the behavior of these Social Media and the current US President Donald Trump
The fact that so many millions of Americans support such a loose canyon and the misinformation he circulates on Social Media is doing serious harm to our planet. Facebook, Twitter etc have been peddling his BS non-stop since he arrived on the political scene and does a huge dis-service to the societies in which we live. The disadvantages far outway the advantages so let's shut them down, the sooner the better.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-there-is-no-limit-to-wha...
So people in the wilderness shouldn't be allowed to have guns to protect themselves?
The problem isn't social media. It is the dumbing down of Amcericans in particular and the Republican Party that used and promoted the anti-abortion crowd and all conspiracy theories that benefit them. They created the opening for Trump to exploit and during his presidency, and even now, they continue to support his delusions. I believe Trump is a true narcissist who is not fully in control of his own behavior. There is no excuse for Mitch McConnell and other republicans, or Fox News, or Newsmax. Who even now are still supporting him.
Of course right wingers want to deflect the blame. Back in the day they didn't want people learning to read or the Bible translated because it reduced their power. This is no different.
No "we" don't make excuses for him. That is entirely on the heads of the right wing media and press.
I support free speech!!!
Read up on the history of free speech fights if you think free speech is expendable!!!
I can't be bothered to read the whole article, but I'd appreciate knowing whether the author presents a concrete plan for the abolition of this "failed experiment", because it sure hasn't failed as far as the capitalist markets are concerned. Any moves to even bureaucratically regulate large social networks in the way broadcasters were once regulated, would be rejected by all Republicans and most Democratic office holders as communistic and unAmerican. Plus a job killer, to boot. Nope, oped writers can whine forever, nothing bad is going to happen to fb, twitter, et al as long as capital rules.
"... nothing bad is going to happen to fb, twitter, et al as long as capital rules."
I think it's more like nothing good will happen to them as long as capital rules. Open, transparent, publicly owned nonprofit social media would be great. Maybe even necessary if our hoped for participatory democracy is ever to come to being?
Should have added -- the bad thing that can happen to social media under capitalism is currently happening, which is an opaque censorship of dissident opinion by elite politically connected technocrats, and this being cheered on by liberal authoritarians at the globe and mail and here at babble:
"Unfortunately humans are just too stupid to be given access to some things. Guns, Social Media"
When I said "nothing bad" I should have specified that by this I meant nothing that would disturb their shareholders and management significantly. I totally agree that public utility style social networks would be a huge improvement, but they will never be implemented as long as capital rules.
All the more reason to shut social media down
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/13/president-trump-has-m...
If You Are Not Paying For The Product, You Are The Product
https://medium.com/change-your-mind/if-y0u-are-not-paying-for-the-produc...
"What you can learn from the Netflix documentary 'The Secret Dilemma.'
'How do you wake up from the matrix when you are in the matrix?'
I do too. Maybe members of the NDP could propose this kind of policy at their next federal convention?
It appears that I'm going to be the first person who notes the absurdity of posting a thread calling for the abolition of social media on a social media platform.
Actually it asseses it as a 'failed experiment'. As for whether this one is, I guess that's an open question.
Perfect example of why social media is such crap and why it should be shut down
https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkdpey/mail-voting-fraud-whistleblower-a...
Trump is a Loser
The Stupidity that Empowered Him Lives On
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/11/12/Trump-Is-Gone-Stupidity-Lives-On/
Good catch. Neither the Arab Spring nor Occupy would have happened were it not for social media. We choose how to use it. We choose the laws that apply to it. Millions of people use it to stay in contact with far-flung friends and family.
The problem with the US is the deliberate dumbing down of Americans by Repubicans and their skill in manipulating them.
We have problems in Canada too but we don't have a large enough contingent of religious fundamentalists nor Constitutional originalists to end up with a Trump. The grand majority of Canadians do not consider our judges to be activist for applying our constitution.
Conservatives in Canada are in trouble but that is for another thread.
I stand corrected about the article simply being a statement that social media is a failed experiment. The question remains...what then do we do? It's impossible to organize political movements anymore without social media-we simply don't have the capacity to communicate one-to-one, in-person, with enough people in a fast enough time to organize anything.
If we simply declare social media a failure, what the hell else do we have?
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Read the Terms and Condition of social media sites: walled gardens. The content I post does not belong to me. The content I post can be censored (removed, shut down, whatever you want to call it.) The content I post can be modified. The content on social media is mined, and then other content is pushed at specific people and audiences based on data gathering by the social media site and other data warehouses - and, to take it further: specific content is delivered based on how much a client is willing to pay to target specific audiences. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica as an example.
On the other hand, who is bothering to pay for old media? Quality journalism? According to who? And for what purpose? The lies are the same.
There are still a few corners of the internet to post comments. Babble might be a failure, but I can still post comments here!
There are other platforms but they are not encouraged to the exteme that joining popular social media sites is encouraged.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Scuttlebutt
https://www.torproject.org/
https://joinmastodon.org/
I saw an insightful Twitter thread on this today. It was in response to a nurse from South Dakota recounting that many of her patients are so brainwashed that they refuse to believe that COVID is real, even as they're drawing their last breaths.
https://twitter.com/RespectableLaw/status/1328422178648371203
That isn't the fault of twitter. It's a cop out to blame social media. I'm not into history but I'm pretty sure it isn't the first time a populist has risen to power on lies and disinformation. People were not better informed when the only news they got came through newspapers and TV.
If the far right is more persuasive than the far left it isn't because of social media. It is the fault of the left for failing to listen to the concerns of the demographic that gets won over by the right.
There are even people in the hospital with Covid who believe they can't have it because Covid is not real, that it is a hoax. They probably also think that Trump won the election, that Biden stole it. We truly are living in a post-truth era!
Yes, and they are all on social media and they get all their information from social media and if it is based on science it is from the devil and wrong.
I only mentioned that the quote is from Twitter. I'm not blaming social media, and clearly, neither is the author of the tweets I posted.
Did you read the title of this thread?
https://www.cnn.com/business/live-news/mark-zuckerberg-jack-dorsey-senat...
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-were-primed-to-believe-th...
Nope. I just close my eyes and click on threads at random.
Are you trying to imply that your comment wasn't a response to the post that immediately preceded it?
I found the twitter post interesting, a concise explanation that has a lot of truth to it IMO. Especially this:
"Most seem to agree the current public vulnerability to misinformation stems from a series of material and psychological deprivations combined with the sudden democratization of information. Too many want to hinder the latter rather than solving the former."
I am curious how the author would describe the material and psychological deprivations. Material deprivations are pretty easy to agree on, but not clear what the psycholoigcal deprivations referenced are, beyond the obvious (community, autonomy). Or what causes them.
ETA -- I suppose once could assume the psychological deprivations are a result of capitalism, or empire, or both, but that line of analysis has always felt a little pithy to me.
It is in response to the thrust of the thread including this comment which preceded my post:
It has nothing to do with the democratization of information. It didn't take social media for Hitler to rise. It has to do with the skill of the right and the failure of the left which is stuck in a rut of righteousness that ignores voters concerns.
It took the negative consequences caused by World War I, the Versailles Treaty, and the Great Depression to elevate Hitler to power. All it took for Trump to rise to power was Trump's preposterous Twitter campaign that claimed that the presidency of the US's first African American President was illegal because President Obama was in reality a secret Muslim born in Kenya.
All it took for Trump to rise to power for many was the thought of Hillary Clinton after Barack Obama based on actual lived experience. Unfortunately, the American duopoly system guarantees that 'the house' always wins and the people always lose. When enough begin to realize the scam things will begin to go off - in all directions. I believe we are now entering just such a process and something is taking its course. We should pay close attention by all means at our disposal and with a multiplicity of perspectives beyond 'all the news that's fit to print', to understand this dangerous and critical time. For them and us.
'When elephants [or donkeys] battle it is the grass that suffers.'
Whatever came of the FBI's investigation of Hillary Clinton's emails that the FBI announced shortly before Election Day and cost her the 2016 election and gave the world four "deplorable" years of Donald J. Trump as the worst president in American history?
The ability of the US Republican Party to control US politics through propaganda has created a dangerous world for Americans and the rest of us. I think the US and world would be infinitely better off if the US Democratic Party were free to reorder the US unhindered by the US Republican Party. The US political system structurally favours the Republicans to the grave detriment of the whole world. American evangelicals may end up destroying us all via there denial of basic science and reality. As it turns out, science and reality are no match for modern day propaganda.
Social media is too sick and just not worth it
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/facebook-shredding-fabric-of-democracy-biden...
Tragic!
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiVmh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmNiYy5jYS9uZXdzL2N...
Well said, 100% agree:
NDPP: When enough begin to realize the scam things will begin to go off - in all directions. I believe we are now entering just such a process and something is taking its course. We should pay close attention by all means at our disposal and with a multiplicity of perspectives beyond 'all the news that's fit to print', to understand this dangerous and critical time. For them and us.
Social media hasn't hurt democracy at all. Neither have books. Republicans and Democrats are directly responsible for destroying democracy.
I will add the Conservatives, Liberals and NDP are doing it in Canada.
Please name me the era and the politicians in your lifetime that were not doing it in Canada.
What do you think should be done to save democracy in places like the U.S. and Canada?
I should have said, trying to destroy democracy. Democracy is not threatened in either place. Citizens have all the power we need to make radical change. We are collectively choosing not to.
There are none. In my opinion social media is democratizing. It takes power away from mass media and puts it in the hands of the people.
Tell me have you heard of Citizens United. There is no democracy with unlimited campaign spending by the plutocracy.
https://www.citizen.org/article/the-supreme-court-ruling/
People don't watch much live TV. Social media is free.
The problem is the general public responds better to right wing messaging which has been refined over decades by think tanks focused on what will sway the public rather than explaining neoliberalism and how it is better.
Oblivious, fascist-friendly North Report is consistent only in the relentless advocacy of censorship and prosecution anything s/he doesn't like at the moment, regardless of factuality:
The phenomenon is nothing new here. As for other social media and its recent tendencies.
Posted this on the Biden thread but it probably belongs here too.
The Jimmy Dore Show
https://youtu.be/K_mxYwr6qt8
"...This is what they're going to do in power. They're going to pressure these social media companies to censor even more. And if people on the left think this is going to be aimed only at the right, you're fucking stupid."
"Calgary nurse’s post defending front-line workers to ‘internet trolls’ goes viral | Globalnews.ca" https://globalnews.ca/news/7489766/calgary-nurses-post-front-line-worker...