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Thu, 2021-01-21 19:48

NDPP

US Presidents and Election Fraud

https://www.rangevoting.org/PresFraud.html

"Many people, even after the 1876 Hayes vs Tilden and Florida 2000 Bush vs Gore elections, still believe that election fraud was a relatively rare event in the USA, especially as regards presidents, and exerted a relatively small effect on history. That perception is false.

In fact, election fraud has exerted a very large effect on US (and hence world) history. Indeed, it has been one of the largest factors affecting post-WWII US history. To show that, we will now detail the fact that of the 11 US Presidents since WWII, the careers of at least 6 depended crucially on election fraud...

Thu, 2021-01-21 23:54

#203

NorthReport

So GOPers want to be secretly armed if there is an attempted insurrection at the Capital?

GOP Rep. Andy Harris Tries To Bring Gun Into House Chamber

Republicans keep complaining about the new metal detectors outside the House chamber. Now we know why.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/house-congressman-gun-andy-harris_n_...

Fri, 2021-01-22 00:22

(Reply to #203) #204

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Tell me JKR do you really believe that in various states political operatives from both parties did not likely try every dirty trick in the book to win the election? The fact is that the Democrats say that the Republicans are white supremacist fascists and the Trumpites say that the Democrats are deep state fascist. Personally I tend to think they are both right.

I have been following US politicians since I was a teenager in the late '60's when my US political heroes where Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin and Malcolm X. I remember Tricky Dicky and that was his nickname before he became President. The US political system has been a failed democracy for the fifty years I have followed it. I would be astounded if no political operative in the US tried to fix the election but that is just based on my "gut feeling."

If Trump had credible evidence that the election was "stolen" from him he should have presented some credible evidence during his very many lawsuits. As it is, the courts threw out the over 60 cases Trump took to court because trump had no credible evidence just bogus claims. For over five years Trump has said that the only way he could lose an election would be if the election was stolen from him due to fraud by Democrats. He said that he won the popular vote in 2016 but that was taken away from him due to fraud by Democrats. Trump set up a commission to look into election fraud in 2016 but that commission disbanded because it could find no evidence. Trump is now saying that at least 10 million votes were fraudulently cast for Joe Biden but he has no evidence to prove his self-serving claim. How many conspiracists would be required to steal 10 - 20 million votes? And why should we believe a man who has pathologically lied countless times including his saying that Obama was not born in the U.S., that Muslims in New York City cheered on rooftops on 9/11 while watching the Twin Towers fall, and said the Central Park 5 should receive the death penalty even though they were found innocent. As it is, fact-checkers say that Trump lied over 30,000 times during his 4 years in office! That's over 20 lies on average per day for four years!! Trump lies as easily as he breathes air! That's why so many QAnon supporters love him.

Thu, 2021-01-21 23:28

#205

NorthReport

Pak should prove to be an excellent witness.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1352413183747657728

Thu, 2021-01-21 23:36

#206

NorthReport

When will the Patriot Party be having its first meeting?

Trump was rock bottom and either the GOP faces reality and deals with its extremists or becomes extinct.

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1352436338231025665

Thu, 2021-01-21 23:45

#207

NorthReport

Liz Cheney's problems pile up

Trump's allies in the House are moving quickly to try to oust her from GOP leadership.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/liz-cheneys-problems-pile-up-46...

Fri, 2021-01-22 02:30

#208

NorthReport

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/21/pelosi-impeachment-articles-461085

Fri, 2021-01-22 10:44

#209

NorthReport

Monday it is!

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/politics/impeachment-articles-schumer/ind...

Fri, 2021-01-22 12:17

#210

NDPP

Quite aside from the difficulties of proving 'incitement' of an 'insurrection' that never was, The duopoly will necessarily have to contrive their kangaroo shake and bake impeachment trial to carefully exclude the Trump defence team's ability to bring to a global public for the first time the massive evidence of election fraud. Because both parties know it exists, and is anything but 'baseless', they, like the courts, will contrive to find the technical grounds to prevent it being heard. Or make Trump 'an offer he can't refuse' to force him to exclude it himself.

https://navarroreport.com/

1.The Immaculate Deception 2. The Art of the Steal 3. The Case, Evidence and Statistical Receipts.

Fri, 2021-01-22 15:08

#211

Michael Moriarity

As to whether Trump did or did not incite violence before the Capitol riot, I recommend this video, from YouTuber LonerBox, a Scot. He uses Ian Paisley, leader of the Ulster Unionists during the troubles, as an example of how a political leader can clearly inspire violence withoug explicitly urging any specific act of violence. He then shows how the same principle applies to Trump.

Fri, 2021-01-22 17:20

#212

NorthReport

Thanks MM, excellent video!

Stochastic terrorism[edit]

The first mention of the term "stochastic terrorism" appears to be in a 2002 article written by Gordon Woo entitled "Quantitative Terrorism Risk Assessment" in the Journal of Risk Finance.[30] The term is used to suggest that a quantifiable relationship may exist between seemingly random acts of terror and their intended goal of "perpetuating a reign of fear" via a manipulation of mass media and its capacity for "instant global news communication". For example, careful timing and placement of just a few moderately explosive devices could have the same intended effect as numerous random attacks or the use of more powerful explosives if they were shrewdly devised to elicit the maximum response from media organizations. Thus, it was theorized by Dr Woo that "the absolute number of attacks within a year, i.e. the rhythm of terror, might ultimately be determined as much by publicity goals and the political anniversary calendar as by the size of the terrorist ranks".

A derivation of Dr Woo's stochastic terrorism model was proffered by an anonymous blogger posting on Daily Kos in 2011 to describe public speech that can be expected to incite terrorism without a direct organizational link between the inciter and the perpetrator.[31][32] The term "stochastic" is used in this instance to describe the random, probabilistic nature of its effect: whether or not an attack actually takes place. And, although the actual perpetrator of a planned attack and its timing is not under the control of the stochastic terrorist, their actions nevertheless serve to increase the probability that a terrorist attack will occur.[33] The stochastic terrorist in this context does not direct the actions of any particular individual or members of a group. Rather, the stochastic terrorist gives voice to a specific ideology via mass media with the aim of optimizing its dissemination.[33]

It is by dint of this ideology that the stochastic terrorist is alleged to randomly incite individuals predisposed to acts of violence. And it is because the stochastic terrorist does not target and incite individual perpetrators of terror with their message that the perpetrator may be labeled a lone wolf by law enforcement while the inciter avoids legal culpability.[33][34] The term has mostly been applied to domestic American incidents of violence.[citation needed]

In their 2017 book Age of Lone Wolf Terrorism,[33] criminologist Mark S. Hamm and sociologist Ramón Spaaij discuss stochastic terrorism as a form of "indirect enabling" of terrorists. They write that "stochastic terrorism is the method of international recruitment used by ISIS", and they refer to Anwar al-Awlaki and Alex Jones as stochastic terrorists.[33]:157

Hamm and Spaaij discuss two instances of violence. In the 2010 Oakland freeway shootout, Byron Williams was said to be en route to offices of the American Civil Liberties Union and the Tides Foundation, planning to commit mass murder, "indirectly enabled by the conspiracy theories" of Glenn Beck and Alex Jones. As a left-wing example, they cite the 2012 shooting incident at the headquarters of the Family Research Council.[33]

The stochastic terrorism model is a stochastic process, a random model of those terror attacks intended by the random nature of their timing and targets to excite a generalized fear.[35] Nonetheless, lone wolf terrorists are "indirectly enabled by the conspiracy theories"[33] circulated in the mass media, especially by high status political or religious leaders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_(terrorism)

Fri, 2021-01-22 17:29

#213

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

What's next? The whole Trump family along with all their sycophants end up in Riker's

Fri, 2021-01-22 19:04

(Reply to #213) #214

kropotkin1951

JKR]</p> <p>[quote=kropotkin1951 wrote:

Tell me JKR do you really believe that in various states political operatives from both parties did not likely try every dirty trick in the book to win the election?

You had a very in depth post about Trump that did not answer my question.

Fri, 2021-01-22 19:36

#215

NorthReport

I wonder what percentage of Americans believe the Jan 6 attack on their Capital was an attempted coup d'etat that failed.

White House launches ‘comprehensive threat assessment’ on domestic extremism

The assessment comes on the heels of a deadly riot at the Capitol staged by right-wing extremists earlier this month.

Supporters of then-President Donald Trump clash with Capitol police on Jan. 6, 2021.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/22/white-house-assessment-domestic...

Fri, 2021-01-22 20:00

#216

NDPP

"The media incuriosity over why Washington continues to be utterly militarized, why none of the supposedly planned January 20 day violent protests at state capitols happened, and whether this threat is being exaggerated to justify the Draconian security proposals is stunning."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1352665358432428039

Fri, 2021-01-22 20:26

#217

NorthReport

How Trumpism Is Becoming America’s New “Lost Cause”

Lately, Americans seem obsessed with Civil War references—and there’s a good reason why, says David Blight.

You can’t have healing without some balance with justice

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/21/trump-civil-war-recons...

Fri, 2021-01-22 20:51

#218

josh

The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/us/politics/jeffrey-clark-trump-justice-department-election.html

Sat, 2021-01-23 14:52

#219

NorthReport

Lindsey Graham slammed by ex-Republican staffer: He wants to keep the GOP 'a racist party'

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-capitol-siege-donald-trump-trials-i...

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Farhad Manjoo: Finally, a president acknowledges white supremacy

U.S. security establishment failed to anticipate another attack, this time from ‘our’ terrorists.

(Edu Bayer | The New York Times)

A man raises his arm in a Nazi salute at a gathering of white nationalists in Charlottesville, Va., on Aug. 11, 2017. Terrorism in the United States is overwhelmingly domestic and motivated by far-right ideologies, often racist, anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant.

(Edu Bayer | The New York Times) A man raises his arm in a Nazi salute at a gathering of white nationalists in Charlottesville, Va., on Aug. 11, 2017. Terrorism in the United States is overwhelmingly domestic and motivated by far-right ideologies, often racist, anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant.

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2021/01/23/farhad-manjoo-finally/

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https://www.thewrap.com/dilbert-scott-adams-republicans-will-be-hunted/

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Steve Bannon and President Donald Trump in 2017.

Steve Bannon and President Donald Trump in 2017.Credit...Mandel Ngan/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/20/opinion/trump-bannon-pardon.html

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https://www.mediamatters.org/steve-bannon/steve-bannon-back-youtube

Sat, 2021-01-23 15:26

#220

NorthReport

The Chad Gramscian vs. The Virgin Sorelian (or what have you)

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Writer Jacob Siegel made an observation to the effect of “The American Right has left its Grasmscian period and entered its Sorelian Period.” I think what this means is that the Right is no longer seeking hegemony over cultural and political institutions, like it pursued during most of the history of the conservative movement, but has now shifted to a model of political action centered on myth and the redemptive power of violence.

https://johnganz.medium.com/gramscians-vs-sorelians-c97857e67f35

Sat, 2021-01-23 15:39

#221

NorthReport

Donald Trump is 'damaged goods' and Mitch McConnell wants him gone forever: report

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-impeachment-2650080464/

Sat, 2021-01-23 16:13

#222

NorthReport

And where was AOC instead of being at the inaugaration? Marching with strikers on a picket line.

Capitol rioter charged with threatening to 'assassinate' Rep. Ocasio-Cortez

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/23/politics/garret-miller-capitol-riot-threa...

Sat, 2021-01-23 16:41

#223

NorthReport

Just the beginning of what is coming down the pipes!

Schumer calls for DOJ watchdog to probe Trump effort to oust acting AG

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/535540-schumer-calls-for-doj-watchdo...

Sat, 2021-01-23 16:47

#224

NorthReport

House GOP lawmaker: Trump 'put all of our lives at risk'

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/534627-house-gop-lawmaker...

Sat, 2021-01-23 17:06

#225

NorthReport

Here's why Trump may be banned from running for office in 2024

https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari/watch/see-why-trump-may-be-banne...

Sat, 2021-01-23 17:11

#226

NorthReport

Calls grow for 9/11-style panel to probe Capitol attack

Sat, 2021-01-23 17:17

#227

NorthReport

And so it begins!

“It’s too little too late to try to come off as a leader,” Arellano said. “We’re in disarray.”

“Right now, after the fact, they’re trying to raise a ruckus and fight and come out swinging,” he said. “They weren’t there before. They weren’t giving us daily updates when we actually needed them.”

Under Ward’s leadership, the GOP has lost both U.S. Senate seats to Democrats, as well as the Arizona secretary of state’s office and other state offices.

Now the party is divided by what many members call a “civil war,” as Ward and allies fight Gov. Doug Ducey and others. The state meeting agenda includes a proposed censure for Ducey, the second-term Republican governor.

https://tucson.com/news/local/political-notebook-southern-arizona-republ...

Sat, 2021-01-23 18:39

#228

NorthReport

Calls for 'secret ballot' for Trump's impeachment trial -- to 'protect' GOP senators from violence

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-impeachm/

Sat, 2021-01-23 18:43

#229

NorthReport

Trump 'tarred and feathered himself': Historians reflect on the reality-TV star's legacy in office

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-worst-president-ever/

Sat, 2021-01-23 19:04

#230

NorthReport

Of course it is, as it sounds like it's right out of the Bannon playbook.

Trump's threat to start a new party designed to give him leverage during impeachment: report

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-patriot-party/

Sat, 2021-01-23 20:05

#231

NorthReport

GOP receives brutal lesson on civics and political reality from Texas Republican Will Hurd

Texas Republican Will Hurd drew upon his six years in Congress and nine years as a clandestine CIA officer in a hard-hitting new op-ed published by The Washington Post.

Hurd, who did not seek re-election in 2020, warned that the 2022 midterms will be consumed by ads highlighting the connections between the GOP and the deadly insurrection by Trump supporters at the U.S. Capitol on January 6th.

"Republicans have lost seven of the last eight national popular votes, and it only took four years for us to lose the House, Senate and the White House. Republicans aren't going to achieve electoral success by being seen as the party that defends QAnon extremists who advocate the murder of the former vice president. Nor will we see success by supporting white supremacists who call a Black police officer the n-word while that police officer puts his life on the line to protect democracy. Every Republican on the ballot in 2022 will face campaign attack ads that affiliate them with the domestic terrorists who charged the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6," he warned.

Hurd explained how disinformation harms the GOP.

"If the party wants a future, the elected officials, pundits and activists who claim to be its members must stop peddling conspiracy theories and drive out those who continue to do so. Republicans must be honest and do the right thing based on conservative values, not the thing that leads to more clicks, comments or shares on social media," Hurd wrote. "Those of us who were old enough on 9/11 will always remember the image of the second plane slamming into the World Trade Center, just like all of us will remember the images of thousands of people at the Capitol attempting an insurrection on Jan. 6. Both were acts of terrorism conducted by fanatics. If Islamist terrorism was the existential challenge of the early 2000s, then the environment of disinformation, misinformation and lies fueling domestic terrorism is the challenge of our current generation. This 'infodemic' is getting worse, and it is radicalizing elements of our society."

Hurd also gave his party a civics lesson.

"The truth is, President Donald Trump lost big time. Many Republicans on the ballot across the country in 2020 outperformed the president by significant margins. He was an anchor around our necks at the voting booth," he noted. "Furthermore, if you elevate a flag that has someone's name on it to the same level that you elevate your national flag, then you are not a patriot; you are part of a cult. When we put our hands on our hearts, we pledge allegiance to a flag, not an individual. The flag represents a nation founded on a perpetual goal to form a more perfect union, not a commitment to any one person."

https://www.rawstory.com/will-hurd/

Sat, 2021-01-23 21:15

(Reply to #231) #232

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

Trump 'tarred and feathered himself': Historians reflect on the reality-TV star's legacy in office

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-worst-president-ever/

Already very many U.S. historians consider Trump to be the worst president in U.S. history.

Sat, 2021-01-23 21:39

#233

NorthReport

Senator John Cornyn

@JohnCornyn

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No, it’s takes unanimous consent. But you already knew that. BTW, if it is a good idea to impeach and try former Presidents, what about former Democratic Presidents when Republicans get the majority in 2022? Think about it and let’s do what is best for the country.

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Our plan will allow us to do President Biden’s nominations, COVID relief, and the impeachment trial of Donald Trump. As we said, we can get all three done, and we will.

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Wile E. Coyote, ACME Democracy Co.

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Depends on if they try to have my government killed to become dictator.

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What is your point Cornyn? There is a very real reason to convict the criminal WE voted out.

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@JohnCornyn

If they incite armed insurrection in an attempt to maintain power despite the will of the voters then yeah sure. Seems like a reasonable precedent to set for either party.

Sun, 2021-01-24 00:23

#234

NorthReport

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/weve-had-a-white-supremacis...

Sun, 2021-01-24 00:27

#235

NorthReport

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/donald-trump-is-now-a-terro...

Sun, 2021-01-24 11:58

#236

NorthReport

Penn State looms large now on the Trump mob resumes.

https://www.rawstory.com/scoitt-perry/

Sun, 2021-01-24 15:48

#237

NorthReport

‘He asked us to’: Trump supporters’ words could be his downfall at impeachment trial

https://globalnews.ca/news/7595308/trump-supporters-hurt-impeachment/

Sun, 2021-01-24 16:14

#238

NDPP

Trump Impeachment Trial to Begin Feb 9

https://youtu.be/Vub26OEWyV8

"The debate over whether or not there was fraud should occur. We never had any presentation in court. When we actually look at the evidence most of the cases were thrown out for 'lack of standing', which is a procedural way of not actually hearing the question.

There were several states in which the laws were changed [ on voting procedures] by the Secretary of State, not the state legislatures, which was clearly unconstitutional. I think there's still a chance these cases finally do work themselves up to the US Supreme Court but courts traditionally don't like to hear election questions.

But were there people who voted twice, were there dead people who voted, were there illegal aliens who voted? Yes, and we should get to the bottom of it..."

The Art of the Steal: 3 vols

https://navarroreport.com

https://youtu.be/WGRnhBmHYN0

Sun, 2021-01-24 16:16

#239

NorthReport

Any claims about election fraud are disputed

Sun, 2021-01-24 16:17

#240

josh

They were given a chance to present evidence but, as judge after judge found, they had none. Changing the the vote ballot deadline was not "clearly unconstitutional." And it was done in North Carolina. But guess what, no challenge was brought there. Because Trump won the state. So this was about Kracken heads trying to overthrow the results of the election. Not a stand against changing voting procedures in the face of an epidemic.

Sun, 2021-01-24 16:30

#241

NorthReport

Chronicling Trump's 10 worst abuses of power

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/24/politics/trump-worst-abuses-of-power/inde...

Sun, 2021-01-24 16:38

(Reply to #241) #242

kropotkin1951

NorthReport wrote:

Calls grow for 9/11-style panel to probe Capitol attack

Good idea since it is not clear yet who the US should invade because of it. They are still in Afghanistan so that country is out.

Sun, 2021-01-24 16:43

#243

NorthReport

Is Mar-A-Lago still part of the USA?

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-mar-a-lago-members-quitting-club...

Sun, 2021-01-24 17:16

#244

NorthReport

Trump’s Senate impeachment trial elucidated by House impeachment manager Cicilline

https://www.msnbc.com/the-sunday-show/watch/trump-s-senate-impeachment-t...

Sun, 2021-01-24 17:18

#245

NorthReport

Impeachment manager Rep. DeGette: Senators are not just jury, but “victims of this crime”

https://www.msnbc.com/ali-velshi/watch/impeachment-manager-rep-degette-s...

Mon, 2021-01-25 16:39

#246

NorthReport

And apparently Leahy will get to vote as well, otherwise I'm sure he would not have agreed to do it.

Leahy, not Roberts, to preside over impeachment trial

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/535700-leahy-roberts-to-preside-over...

Mon, 2021-01-25 13:30

#247

kropotkin1951

This is not a trial but a partisan political exercise. Everywhere in the world people call this sort of thing a show trial. Now before our imperial cheerleaders jump down my throat I think Trump should be charged with treason if they can prove he incited a riot, however as a former lawyer I would not consider the procedural checks and balances in a Senate impeachment trial adequate to ensure a fair hearing. The first thing of course is that all the Senators have an inherent partisan conflict of interest and therefore are unsuitable as unbiased jurors. But then again this is the US were you can guess the result of almost every SCOTUS decision based on partisan politics without having to actually understand anything about the jurisprudence behind the legal issues at play.

The full force of the farce is on display for all the world to laugh at. Bring it on America this is one exceptional process you have.

Mon, 2021-01-25 14:29

#248

josh

The one thing you said that is correct is that this is not a trial. Not a criminal trial.

Mon, 2021-01-25 15:36

#249

NorthReport

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/25/majority-supports-trump-impeach...

Mon, 2021-01-25 16:28

#250

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I hope he is convicted...as he should have the first time around. He's a fascist who should never be able to run for office ever again---anywhere. Not even a dog catycher.

But 17 Republicans? Tough task.

Trump,Cruz,Hawley and the rest of the seditionists should be trioed and imprisoned.

Everyone involved in the attempted insurrection should be arrested, tried and convicyted for treeason. They should all be ssent to the gallows.

Capitol police who aided and abetted these ultra right wing maniacs should also be tried.

But will any of this happen? I doubt it. Unless it was antifa (anti fascists ironically) and BLM, there would be blood spilled and stiff prison sentences. The fascists seem to be becoming mainstream.

The US can never call themselves the home of the free anymore. They can hardly call themselves democratic. They are on the verge of becoming a banana republic.

The US and Canada need to label these assholes like the Proud Boys terrorist groups.Right next to Al Quaeda. Hell. the orange bastard wanted to label BLM a terrorist group!

If ever I have been anti-American, these days my feeling, what I was hearing and seeing have confirmed my hatred. Fuck the USA, Fuck fascists and fuck the Donald Trump cult.

Mon, 2021-01-25 20:00

#251

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I a, not a fan of Olbermann but he sums up what happened on the 6th pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtkLBSz0I0Y

Trump Impeached For Second Time, Subpoenaed For First Time - What's Next?

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