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Mighty Middle
Nearly 50 NDP Riding Associations

Article removed as it was objected to by Ken Burch

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 Bob for Israel Says...

https://twitter.com/ShireenSalti/status/1373417148429787142

In adopting the IHRA definition, Canada is not only helping Israel cover up its human rights violations, but is also suppressing the voices of Canadians who support Palestinian rights. This is out of step with the will of the majority of Canadians..."

kropotkin1951

Strange how accusing the Chinese government of human rights abuses is not anti-Chinese racism but genocide to be decried by the NDP. Of course the open air prisons in Palestine with the Israeli restrictions on electricity, potable water, medical supplies and travel between areas while watching illegal settlers burning down villages is nothing compared to reeducation camps for people considered terrorists where they have to endure propaganda that says that there is no East Turkestan. Stranger still how the CBC has effectively banned the use of the term Palestine but seems to think that East Turkestan is a place.

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For those with netflix, watch the short Palestinian film 'The Present' for a glimpse of everyday life under Israeli apartheid and occupation.

Ken Burch

Mighty Middle wrote:

A debate over the definition of anti-Semitism has spilled over to the federal New Democrats ahead of the party convention next month.

Nearly 50 NDP riding associations have endorsed a motion that opposes a working definition of anti-Semitism set out by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.

Critics of the definition say it chills legitimate criticism of Israeli policy. Those who back it say it crystallizes understandings of anti-Semitism, which they say includes demonization of the Jewish state.

Read more here https://www.thestar.com/politics/2021/03/19/ndp-membership-wades-into-de...

Bear in mind, it is likely that the person who started this thread, a person who is one of the few Liberal Party supporters on this page, only did so because he thinks he can harm the NDP by doing so.

In reality, more and more Canadians- including much of the prohibitive majority of people who oppose and have always opposed AS and done all they could to fight its spread wherever it pops up- are turning against the IHRA definition, out of the recognition that there is no reason to insist that people proclaim their support of Zionism and agree to restrict criticism of the Israeli government in a way that it is never limited for any other government on the planet just to prove they're against AS.

This passage, from the link the OP posted to an article in a right-wing Toronto newspaper, is worth including here:

The IHRA definition does very little to actually protect Jews against anti-Semitism. What it serves to do is simply to conflate anti-Semitism with legitimate protest against Israel,” said Aaron Lakoff, a spokesman for Independent Jewish Voices Canada.

B’nai Brith Canada has characterized the movement promoting boycotts, divestments, and economic sanctions against Israel as anti-Semitic under the IHRA definition, an example of how organizations can “weaponize anti-Semitism to shut down Palestinian voices,” Lakoff said.

The statement’s lead author, Kenneth Stern, has disavowed its deployment, writing in a Guardian opinion piece that “right-wing Jewish groups” had moved to “weaponize” a definition created initially to assist European data collectors.

The point of contention is not the 39-word definition itself, which describes anti-Semitism as expressions of hatred toward Jews, but rather the way some groups have applied it and the appended list of examples that contextualize it.

“The IHRA definition has already been used to attempt to silence voices of solidarity with the Palestinian people,” said former NDP MP Svend Robinson.

Referring to Twitter posts in January that created a storm on social media, he added: “It’s been used to target NDP MPs Charlie Angus and Leah Gazan, who spoke out on the issue of Palestinian access to vaccines.”

 

Mighty Middle

Ken Burch wrote:

This passage, from the link the OP posted to an article in a right-wing Toronto newspaper,

NOT TRUE - it is an article written by the Canadian Press that was syndicated and picked by a variety of newspapers and news websites across the country, including the Toronto Star

So if your stance Ken is that the Canadian Press (Canada's national news agency) is "Right Wing" (as that is where the article orginated from) then say the Canada's national news agency  The Canadian Press is "Right Wing"

kropotkin1951

I will take the dare; "Canada's national news agency  The Canadian Press is "Right Wing."  Hell that was easy since I actually agree with the statement. For context I also think your Liberal cabinet members are almost all right wing. The Canadian Press is an imperial mouthpiece for Canada's ruling elite paid for by our large media moguls.

Ken Burch

Mighty Middle wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

This passage, from the link the OP posted to an article in a right-wing Toronto newspaper,

NOT TRUE - it is an article written by the Canadian Press that was syndicated and picked by a variety of newspapers and news websites across the country, including the Toronto Star

So if your stance Ken is that the Canadian Press (Canada's national news agency) is "Right Wing" (as that is where the article orginated from) then say the Canada's national news agency  The Canadian Press is "Right Wing"

On balance, yes.  Its bias-based on any extensive reading of the articles it distributes, is towards "market values" neoliberalism, austerity, military intervention, and support for the Israeli government against the Palestinians, while generally holding an indifferent-to-hostile bias regarding the labour movement, social activists, and FN people.

And there is no reason to think it is impossible for a country's "national news service" to have a right-wing bias.  Look at the CBC since Harper.  Look at the BBC in its involvement in the smear campaign against Jeremy Corbyn.  Look at the coverage the major U.S. networks gave of the Reagan Administration and the Gulf War.

And it remains obvious that your point in posting the article was to pressure the NDP to take the right wing, anti-free speech and pro-oppression stance of adopting not only the IHRA definition of AS- something no one has an issue with- but the "guidelines and examples" that falsely equate virtually all public criticism of what the Israeli government does to Palestinians with AS- simply by giving anyone who wants to silence discussion the chance to claim that Israel is being held to a standard beyond what other democratic countries are held to- something that never happens, btw, because nobody who criticizes the IDF Occupation, or the illegal settlement expansion and the land and water theft gives other countries a pass for doing comparable things- nobody anywhere says "it's only a bad thing when Israel does it".

Mighty Middle

Ken Burch wrote:

Its bias-based on any extensive reading of the articles

OK Ken if you think it is biased and does more harm, then I'll remove the whole thing.

Ken Burch

Mighty Middle wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Its bias-based on any extensive reading of the articles

OK Ken if you think it is biased and does more harm, then I'll remove the whole thing.

Thank you.  I do believe the article in question and the Canadian Press in general, and the discredited IHRA "guidelines and examples" do far more harm than good.  As you've seen from the response here, I'm far from alone.

melovesproles

I found the final part of the deleted article pretty chilling.

A Twitter post by Angus on Israel’s vaccination policy set off a Twitter dust-up in January.

The online post linked to an article in the Guardian newspaper that highlights how Palestinians in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza were not among the beneficiaries of Israel’s rapid rollout of COVID-19 vaccines, whereas Jewish settlements are.

“This is appalling,” Angus wrote, capping off the tweet with the words “#apartheidstate.”

The post sparked more than 1,000 likes, but also backlash, including from B’nai Brith and Liberal and Conservative lawmakers.

Ontario Progressive Conservative MPP Gila Martow said in a Jan. 3 tweet that the comment underscores why Ontario needed to adopt the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism, which the province did months earlier.

Explicity stating that tweets about the mistreatment of Palestinians are an example of what needs to be targetted by this new definition. Not that it is a surprise, but to see it stated so baldly is extremely disturbing. All the whining you hear about 'cancel culture' and here is an open and blunt assault on free speech through legislation. And from the meatheads up in arms about Don Cherry-crickets.

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Palestine Solidarity: Why the NDP Convention Matters: April 5, 7pm ET

https://twitter.com/SvendJRobinson/status/1374801433992654848

"Look forward to joining this important discussion on the eve of the NDP Convention, and hope it will encourage all delegates to give top priority to key Palestine resolutions including #NoIHRA."

Stop supporting Apartheid Israel. Free Palestine!

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Statements of Support for the NO IHRA Resolution

https://www.noihra.ca/ndp-convention-resolution-statements-of-support

"From the list of modern day atrocities, many Zionist supporters judiciously and habitually omit Israel's oppression of the Palestinians, the ongoing dispossession, human rights denials and daily cruelties imposed by the occupation, to speak nothing of periodic war crimes.

The IHRA statement on antisemitism is a barely disguised attempt at suppressing and isolating critics of Israeli policy. It's illegal in this country to deny the Holocaust, yet some people* want to enshrine enforced denial of Palestinian suffering into law..."

Gabor Mate, physician and best-selling author.

*including collaborationist party leaders and politicians apparently more subservient to aggressive and influential Zionist lobby organizations than the expressed wishes of a majority of Canadians for BDS against Apartheid Israel.