Having lost the war the Americans leave Afghanistan

Sat, 2021-05-08 23:38

NDPP

At least 30 killed, 50+ injured as multiple blasts rock school in Kabul

https://on.rt.com/b7ra

"Multiple explosions have rocked a school in the Afghan capital of Kabul. At least 30 people were killed in the blasts and dozens more were injured. The majority of the victims were female students. The Taliban denied any involvement..."

'We condemn today's blast in Dashti-Barchi Kabul, which targeted civilians and sadly caused heavy losses. These are the actions of sinister orders that are operating in the name of Daesh under the wings and intelligence cover of the Kabul administration.'

https://twitter.com/Zabehulah_M33/status/1391049186133659649

Cui bono? Not Taliban.

Sat, 2021-06-05 08:46

#3

NDPP

US Pours Gasoline on Afghan Conflict on its Way Out

https://twitter.com/BTnewsroom/status/1400858981355114501

"The largest war in US history may be finally ending without anything the US can call a victory and nothing the Afghans can call stability..."

Mon, 2021-07-05 21:11

#4

NDPP

Taliban make advances as US troops leave Afghanistan's Bagram Airfield

https://youtu.be/groeHyIRL_w

"US troops are now leaving Bagram Airfield, once the strategic point of operations [and torture] for Washington and its NATO allies in Afghanistan, as dozens more districts fall under the control of Taliban militants..."

Afghan troops flee clashes as Taliban warns US forces to leave

https://youtu.be/vz7wFkqGspw

"More than 1,000 Afghan soldiers have fled to neighbouring Tajikistan...Their [US] pullout has gone more speedily than was anticipated."

Mon, 2021-07-05 20:32

#5

NDPP

All foreign forces must leave, Taliban Says of Turkish plan to secure Kabul airport

https://www.rudaw.net/english/interview/030720211

"Mohammed Naeem, spokesperson for the Taliban politburo in an interview with Rudaw, said that Afghanistan, which he dubbed an Islamic Emirate, will enjoy good relations with all nations, but firmly rejects the presence of foreign forces on Afghan soil..."

Mon, 2021-07-05 20:39

(Reply to #5) #6

kropotkin1951

NDPP wrote:

"More than 1,000 Afghan soldiers have fled to neighbouring Tajikistan...Their [US] pullout has gone more speedily than was anticipated."

I suspect they know their own history and how collaborators have been treated when imperial invasion forces are driven out of the country.

Mon, 2021-07-05 20:51

#7

NDPP

China has a BIG Plan for Post-US Afghanistan - and its worth Billions

https://news.yahoo.com/china-big-plan-post-u-091239086.html

"As the United States exits Afghanistan, Beijing is preparing to swoop into the war-torn country and fill the vacuum left by the departed US and NATO troops. China is poised to make an exclusive entry into post-US Afghanistan with its Belt and Road Initiative (BRI).

Speaking on condition of anonymity, a source close to government officials in Afghanistan told the Daily Beast that Kabul authorities are growing more intensively engaged with China on an extension of the $62 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) - the flagship project of BRI, which involves the construction of highways, railways and energy pipelines between Pakistan and China - to Afghanistan..."

Tue, 2021-07-06 18:04

#8

kropotkin1951

If the people of Afghanistan want prosperity then doing business with their largest and most prosperous neighbour is very important. They will have access to the largest consumer market on the planet. What is the West or Russia going to offer in comparison? For the Chinese they see development in the rural areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan as their best defense against jihadism. Terrorists love poverty stricken areas because middle class people are not as susceptible to their zealotry.

Wed, 2021-07-07 10:59

#9

NDPP

Biden betrays another campaign pledge - admits that US will continue to bomb Afghanistan

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/07/06/biden-betrays-another-campai...

"After 20 years, America's 'longest war' is not really ending..."

Fri, 2021-07-09 14:31

#10

NDPP

CrossTalk: Saigon in Afghanistan

https://youtu.be/PWQcsPgHZ5E

"Washington's 20-year effort at nation-building in Afghanistan was always going to end this way - a complete and total failure."

One on One: Taliban spokesperson Suhail Shaheen

https://youtu.be/jXcy7FPN2T8

"Afghanistan enters a critical phase as US and NATO troops withdraw from the country. TRT speaks to Suhail Shaheen, spokesperson and member of the Taliban negotiating team."

Thu, 2021-07-15 09:46

#11

NDPP

As the NATO backed Afghan puppet regime crumbles, Canada must not abandon the lives of its Afghan interpreters, agents and other personnel. If Ottawa can move heaven and earth to rescue Al Qaeda's White Helmets from liberated Syria, it can and must move quickly to do the same with its endangered collaborators and their families in Afghanistan.

Thu, 2021-07-15 14:12

(Reply to #11) #12

kropotkin1951

NDPP wrote:

As the NATO backed Afghan puppet regime crumbles, Canada must not abandon the lives of its Afghan interpreters, agents and other personnel. If Ottawa can move heaven and earth to rescue Al Qaeda's White Helmets from liberated Syria, it can and must move quickly to do the same with its endangered collaborators and their families in Afghanistan.

Hmm I tuned into the CBC for a few minutes earlier this morning and this was exactly the message they were pushing. It is a Canadian tradition and in my view one of the reasons we have right wing politics as a norm. It started after WWII when we let in many Nazi collaborators because they were "nationalist" not Nazi. When the Iranian people over threw the Shah we let in all his minions who could afford to move to the North Shore. Canada has always been a safe haven for people fleeing the wrath of their neighbours because of their imperial connections. They often end up in the richest areas and seamlessly enter our ruling elite. Since they are fleeing with the sovereign wealth of their county its a double win for Canada, new capital and new imperial minded rich people.

Thu, 2021-07-15 15:15

#13

NDPP

My 'message' and its intent is, I assure you, not that of the CBC...

Thu, 2021-07-15 17:51

#14

NDPP

Escobar: New 'Great Game' Goes Back to Basics

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-new-great-game-gets-back-...

"...The SCO [Shanghai Cooperation Council] will hold a 3 in 1: meetings of the Council of Foreign Ministers, The SCO-Afghanistan Contact Group, and a conference titled 'Central and South Asia: Regional Connectivity, Challenges and Opportunities.'

At the same table, then, we will have Wang Yi, his very close strategic partner Sergey Lavrov and, most importantly, Afghan Foreign Minister Mohammad Haneef Atmar. They'll be debating trials and tribulations after the hegemon's withdrawal and the miserable collapse of the myth of NATO 'stabilizing' Afghanistan.

The SCO's joint statement on Wednesday, will be particularly enlightening, perhaps detailing how the organization plans to coordinate a de facto Afghan peace process farther down the road. In this scenario, the SCO now has the chance to implement what it has actually been discussing for years: That only an Asian solution to the Afghan drama applies.

The Taliban agree..."

Thu, 2021-07-15 18:30

#15

JKR

Contrary to the title of this thread it looks like the Americans are leaving Afghanistan.

Thu, 2021-07-15 20:53

(Reply to #15) #16

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

Contrary to the title of this thread it looks like the Americans are leaving Afghanistan.

You mean except for the exceptions. They may have to helicopter themselves out of their green zone in the end if they decide to prop up the collaborationist government instead of leaving. I personally loved watching the TV pictures of the US fleeing Saigon and cheered heartily. I will do the same for the people of Afghanistan.

Fri, 2021-07-16 14:58

#17

lagatta4

I won't. The NLF weren't mortal enemies of women and girls, far from it. I don't support collaboration with US - or other - imperialism anwhere, but this will mean dire days for the female sex (and any visible LGBT people)... Not to mention us atheists.

Fri, 2021-07-16 21:01

#18

kropotkin1951

I am extremely sorry for all the pain and sorrow that our leaders have inflicted on the people of Afghanistan. They had a government that had full women's rights and we funded the mujahedin and that socialist government invited their Soviet neighbour in to help against our interference and the rest is a long sad history. Peace can only come when all foreigners are gone and I hope the Afghan people get back to where they were before we caused this chaos of perpetual civil war.

Fri, 2021-07-23 19:10

#19

NDPP

US Bombs Taliban Camps to Help Afghan Forces...

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-bombs-taliban-camps-to-help...

"The US carried out airstrikes across Afghanistan in the last several days as part of an effort to support the local administration in pushing back the Taliban, news agencies reported on Friday citing officials familar with the matter in the Pentagon..."

Foreign Yanqi warmongers from across the seas not gone yet obviously.

Sun, 2021-07-25 17:22

#20

NDPP

US Left Airbase in Bagram, Afghanistan at Night without Notice (July 6, and vid)

https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/status/1418755636729368576

"US armed forces are quickly fleeing Afghanistan, but someone else is taking their place..."

CIA, contractors, mercenaries, NATO Turks?

Thu, 2021-07-29 19:39

#21

NDPP

Chinese officials call for peace in meeting with Taliban

https://youtu.be/jz5WZL2LVhw

"Chinese officials called for peace in Afghanistan as they met with leaders from the Taliban..."

Thu, 2021-07-29 23:46

#22

kropotkin1951

I will bet that China was very clear that they will not interfere in who governs the country but that any support for Uyghur terrorists would mean no nice roads and trains and other infrastructure. NATO members that live on the other side of the globe have brought them death and destruction and their next door neighbour looks to be a way friendlier option.

Sat, 2021-08-07 14:55

#23

NDPP

US sends in B-52s in desperate bid to stop the Taliban seizing key Afghan cities

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9871453/US-sends-B-52-bombers-S...

"US Air Force continues to aid the Afghan airforce's bombing of Taliban troops in southern Helmand and Kandahar provinces as Afghan security forces try to prevent a Taliban takeover..."

Spectre of Syria haunts Afghanistan

https://t.co/EQ1JHJ8rTK

"...The daily quoted sources close to the Russian defence ministry to the effect that special operations units may play a key role if tensions rise.

The daily report concluded with an expert opinion that if the security scenario worsens critically, a Russian operation 'similar to the Syrian one may take place, which will involve airstrikes and missions of special operations forces...

Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu hit out at the US recently: 'I can say one think here, and it's simply logical: why are you withdrawing if you basically stand there behind the fence, trying to look through the gaps to see what is going on over there? The answer is absolutely clear: This is an attempt to take root in the central Asian region.'

What is the 'big picture'? A civil war in Afghanistan will sooner rather than later lead to the creation of spheres of influence. Of course the churning will be marked by much bloodshed and large-scale internal displacement of hapless civilians..."

Tue, 2021-08-10 19:05

#24

NDPP

Pepe Escobar: All Roads Lead to the Battle for Kabul

https://asiatimes.com/2021/08/all-roads-lead-to-the-battle-for-kabul

"City after city have fallen from government to Taliban control but Afghanistan's end-game is still unclear. NATO's abject failure in Afghanistan is visible in every aspect..."

Tue, 2021-08-10 20:39

#25

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

So some twenty years later, Afghanistan is back where it was if not far, FAR, worse. What a waste of lives and money (except for those who made their fortune off the backs of this debacle).

Fri, 2021-08-13 16:23

#26

JKR

Does anyone think the US isn't leaving Afghanistan?

Fri, 2021-08-13 16:56

(Reply to #26) #27

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

Does anyone think the US isn't leaving Afghanistan?

They will leave Afghanistan like they have left Syria and Iraq. The Taliban seem to be having an easy time against the proxy army. Somehow it seems everyone in even a modest leadership role in the regime is trying to get on a plane to a NATO country. I can't for the life of me think why the regular troops are just dropping their weapons and hoping no one notices them.

Like Vietnam they will not leave until the Taliban takes Kabul but then it is going to be a wild dash for the exits. Unfortunately it likely means that the US air force will continue killing Afghans for the foreseeable future.

Sat, 2021-08-14 16:39

#28

JKR

It looks like in the not too distant future a Taliban government will bear responsibility for the situation in Afghanistan.

Sat, 2021-08-14 13:25

(Reply to #28) #29

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

It looks like in the not too distant future a Taliban will government will bear responsibility for the situation in Afghanistan.

Yes they will and I doubt if they will make the same mistake this time of allowing Saudi jihadists to occupy their mountains. The Chinese and Pakistani's have promised good things if they act like a government and not ISIS. Before they got blamed for the Saudi attack on the World Trade Center they were a run of the mill nasty authoritarian government who got into power because of how corrupt and brutal the Western backed Northern Alliance was when they took power over the socialist modern government that was Soviet backed. We shall see how it plays out in the future but the first thing is for all the foreign occupiers including the mercenaries to leave. The Taliban is already securing all the borders and opening talks with its neighbours no matter how the emphasis in the West is on the fate of the collaborators left behind.

Sat, 2021-08-14 14:02

#30

josh

I guess the Beard Police will be back in business.

Sat, 2021-08-14 14:26

#31

NDPP

Biden's withdrawal seems too deliberately swift, disorderly and cruel, even for them. The imminent collapse of their Afghan proxy seems deliberately planned. Watch for signs of a hidden agenda involving 'steering' collateral damage onto Afghanistan's neighbours and attempts to destabilize US regional enemies/rivals post exit, as well as renewed attempts to revive the myth of US imperialist intervention as a protective, humanitarian beneficent force.

Sat, 2021-08-14 14:41

#32

josh

This is not sudden. Biden advised getting out in 2009. But Obama went with the generals. This time Biden overruled the generals.

This implosion comes despite the United States having poured more than $83 billion in weapons, equipment and training into the country’s security forces over two decades.

Sat, 2021-08-14 16:47

(Reply to #32) #33

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The Chinese and Pakistani's have promised good things if they act like a government and not ISIS.

If China helps Afghanistan develop economically both China and Afghanistan will be long term beneficiaries after decades of immense Afghani suffering. It would probably take something like a trillion US$ to get Afghanistan into economic shape.

Sat, 2021-08-14 18:04

#34

NDPP

Afghanistan - Taliban make new peace offer and other bits

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/08/afghanistan-taliban-make-new-peace...

"More from Afghanistan, where history happens at a speed seldom seen before. Yesterday the Taliban opened a new path to real negotiations..."

Sat, 2021-08-14 18:33

#35

NDPP

After 20 years & billions of dollars, the American defeat in Afghanistan is worse than the Soviet failure...how has this happened? - Prof Paul Robinson, University of Ottawa

https://on.rt.com/begm

"...As John Sopko, the US official responsible for auditing American expenditures in Afghanistan put it,

'The end of the US supply chain in Afghanistan is the Taliban.' If you want to know who armed and paid for the Taliban, the answer is that America did."

'I want to share with you a story from a 2011 trip to Afghanistan...'

https://twitter.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1426208059773358086

"...I turned to one of the Republicans on the trip, Rep Adam Kenziger, and said, 'So the US is here protecting the heroin trade that provides the Taliban with an income to continue the insurgency we are supposed to be fighting?" [Thread]

Sun, 2021-08-15 12:48

#36

NDPP

Ashraf Ghani leaves Afghanistan as Taliban move further into Kabul

https://www.dawn.com/news/1640790/ashraf-gani-leaves-afghanistan-as-tali...

"Afghanistan's embattled President Ashraf Ghani fled the country on Sunday as the Taliban moved further into Kabul, officials said. Abdullah Abdullah, the head of the Afghan National Reconciliation Council, later confirmed Ghani had left in an online video. 'He left Afghanistan in a hard time, God hold him accountable,' Abdullah said.

Ghani's countrymen and foreigners alike also raced for the exit, signifying the end of a 20-year Western experiment aimed at remaking Afghanistan. After entering Kabul earlier today, Taliban fighters sought the unconditional surrender of the central government.

The Taliban ordered their fighters to enter Kabul to prevent looting after local police deserted their posts, a spokesperson for the militant group Zabihullah Mujahid, said in a statement..."

'Afghanistan: graveyard of empires.'

Sun, 2021-08-15 13:05

#37

NDPP

Hillary's rare truth on Afghanistan (and vid)

https://twitter.com/joya_dahdal/status/1426111987709317122

"The people we are fighting today we funded 20 years ago...let's be careful what we sow because we will harvest..."

Sun, 2021-08-15 13:28

#38

NDPP

Taliban spokesman tells BBC: There will be no revenge

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1426951595850354689

"Taliban spokesman tells BBC they are 'awaiting a peaceful transfer of power."

Suhail Shaheen: Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (IEA)

https://twitter.com/suhailshaheen1/status/1426605793923710981

"IAE has its door open for all those who have previously worked and helped the invaders, or are now standing in the ranks of the corrupt, Kabul Administration and already announced amnesty. We once again invite them all to come and serve the nation and the country."

Sun, 2021-08-15 13:30

#39

josh

Michèle Flournoy, an architect of 2010 Obama troop surge: 'In retrospect, the US got it wrong from the beginning. Bar was set based on our democratic ideals, not what was workable in an Afghan context' "mistake compounded across R and D administrations"

A little late on that one.

Sun, 2021-08-15 15:42

#40

NorthReport

Afghanistan: how did they think it would end?

https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/opinion/gwynne-dyer-afghanistan...

Sun, 2021-08-15 22:00

#41

NDPP

'Manifestly not Saigon'? Watch US helicopters evacuate Kabul embassy as Blinken defiantly rejects Vietnam pullout comparison

https://on.rt.com/bekk

"American military helicopters have been filmed evacuating US embassy staff in Kabul, with multiple aircraft's shuttling to and from the compound. The footage invoked striking similarities with the 1975 retreat from Saigon..."

WATCH: Traffic jams, chaos at Kabul airport as thousands try to flee Taliban takeover

https://on.rt.com/bela

"The impending full takeover by the Taliban has caused full-blown traffic collapse across the capital. Footage circulating online shows the city's streets packed with cars, as people try to either reach their homes - or the city's airport, the last option remaining to escape the Taliban's rule. As the civilian traffic waned by the evening, military vehicles of the Taliban began rolling down the streets of Kabul as militants poured into the city en-masse..."

Mon, 2021-08-16 00:14

#42

NDPP

Taliban leadership inside Afghan Presidential Palace in Kabul

https://youtu.be/BQhRsR7UdWw

'The Taliban has entered the presidential palace in Kabul after President Ashraf Gani left the country..."

Mon, 2021-08-16 00:20

#43

NDPP

'No Job - No Rent'

https://twitter.com/snarwani/status/1426981625317965835

"Should have saved that $2 Trillion you wasted in Afghanistan to prop up your lousy economy. Don't worry America, we will send ALL your troops home from everywhere. You can thank us by giving us your taxes directly."

Mon, 2021-08-16 05:36

#44

josh

US officials sent out to Afghanistan knew that it was a Washington Ponzi scheme. Billions were disappearing into the pockets of contractors and warlords. Only the arms manufacturers were happy. The US was massively bombing the country every year, the only reason that it was still able to be there. US officials confessed as much to government watchdogs, and the Washington Post managed to get those interviews and publish them in 2019. Nobody believed in the mission. There was no mission. There was a morass of corruption and incompetence. Many of the regional warlords under the new government were not easier on women or minorities than the Taliban had been, and were fundamentalists of a different stripe.

Joe Biden knew all this. He is the consummate insider. He was the one who decided to blow the whistle on the Ponzi scheme. Of course, when such a scheme is revealed, a lot of institutions collapse and a lot of people get hurt.

https://www.juancole.com/2021/08/washington-afghanistan-crashing.html

Mon, 2021-08-16 11:23

#45

NDPP

Taliban hold tea party with General Dostum's gold tea set in his luxurious mansion in one of the world's poorest countries

https://on.rt.com/bek4

Whilst General Dostum lived in opulence, many of his soldiers went unpaid, one of the reasons for the army's collapse. During his years of corruption with the US, Dostum has faced repeated accusations of corruption and human rights abuse.

Mon, 2021-08-16 11:49

#46

NDPP

WATCH: Panic At Kabul Airport

https://youtu.be/wzISUAacT8A

US troops fire as huge crowd rushes to catch flights.

7 Killed in Kabul Airport Evacuation Chaos as Taliban Declare War Over in Afghanistan

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-7-killed-in-kabul-airport-...

"Senior US military officials say the chaos at the Kabul airport this morning left seven people dead, including some who fell from a departing American military jet. The White House says Biden will head back to Washington from the Camp David presidential retreat to speak at 3:45 Monday afternoon..."

Mon, 2021-08-16 11:55

#47

NDPP

History will record the foreign occupiers of Afghanistan were the bad guys

https://twitter.com/Moazzam_Begg/status/1426929091484299269

"Moazzam Begg, who lived in Afghanistan before the US-led invasion of 2001, says the West's defeat at the hands of the Taliban is a historic victory.

'Once the dust clears I intend to ask Taliban officials to seek the extradition of the killers to be brought to justice for what they did. Bagram is the scene of a crime and I am an eye-witness..."

Mon, 2021-08-16 12:16

#48

NDPP

US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski Speaking to the Mujahideen at the Afghan/Pakistan Border in 1979 (and vid)

https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1427283925114793990

"That land over there is yours. You'll go back to it one day because your fight will prevail. And you'll have your homes and your mosques back again. Because your cause is right and god is on your side."

Mon, 2021-08-16 12:32

#49

NDPP

"Watching Biden officials and their partisans (neocons+liberals) try to claim this withdrawal was Trump's plan is shamelessly deceitful. Trump did want to leave Afghanistan. But Biden spent the year boasting that it was his choice and plan. Kamala Harris leaked that she was key to it."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1427260258737610758

Mon, 2021-08-16 13:37

#50

Pondering

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9nc3FReWZ0&ab_channel=TheRationalNational

I usually comment but I am too shocked. People clinged to the outside of a plane taking off. I cannot imagine the desperation.

Mon, 2021-08-16 13:49

(Reply to #50) #51

kropotkin1951

Pondering wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9nc3FReWZ0&ab_channel=TheRationalNational

I usually comment but I am too shocked. People clinged to the outside of a plane taking off. I cannot imagine the desperation.

Kabul has a population of 4.3 million people. I have to wonder why these few thousands are so desperate to leave. The NATO backed government, by all reports, was a corrupt narco state. I wonder if that has anything to do with their haste.

Having lost the war the Americans leave Afghanistan

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