Ari has a new job. Now he works for the Rebel:
https://www.canadaland.com/rebel-retracts-fake-vaccination-story/
The vaccine is here. Now what?
Wed, 2021-05-19 02:14
#202
Wed, 2021-05-19 11:41
#203
Ari has a new job. Now he works for the Rebel: https://www.canadaland.com/rebel-retracts-fake-vaccination-story/[/quote]This is exactly the kind of crap I'm trying to keep off babble.
Wed, 2021-05-19 12:10
#204
You have been more than lenient, as with Ari's posts it has felt a bit like Donald Trump has been posting his sick and misleading Covid lies here, which could endanger people.
Wed, 2021-05-19 13:50
#205
Ari has a new job. Now he works for the Rebel: https://www.canadaland.com/rebel-retracts-fake-vaccination-story/This is exactly the kind of crap I'm trying to keep off babble.
I presume you mean the Rebel Media piece and not the Canadaland article exposing it as fake news. I think Canadaland is a fine podcast, even if it is a competitor for rabble podcasts.
Wed, 2021-05-19 14:46
#206
Duh!
Wed, 2021-05-19 15:11
#207
Ari has a new job. Now he works for the Rebel: https://www.canadaland.com/rebel-retracts-fake-vaccination-story/This is exactly the kind of crap I'm trying to keep off babble.
I presume you mean the Rebel Media piece and not the Canadaland article exposing it as fake news. I think Canadaland is a fine podcast, even if it is a competitor for rabble podcasts.
Of course the Rebel Media piece. Canadaland is a decent progressive site, and I have zero interest in pointlessly slamming our sister organizations.
Wed, 2021-05-19 15:54
#208
Great, that is what I presumed but it was not clear on its face.
Wed, 2021-05-19 16:38
#209
Thank-you Meg. I find it incredibly difficult to tolerate the fake-science movement that twists findings to support political goals. It is so important that we all follow the health guidelines to protect not only ourselves but also the more vulnerable. I would not want to be typhoid Mary.
Wed, 2021-05-19 18:34
#210
Thu, 2021-05-20 21:00
#211
Thank-you Meg. I find it incredibly difficult to tolerate the fake-science movement that twists findings to support political goals. It is so important that we all follow the health guidelines to protect not only ourselves but also the more vulnerable. I would not want to be typhoid Mary.
You're welcome. The pandemic has become political for so many people in a way that really serves no one. Me or you perhaps thinking that vaccines are the front line defense against this does not necessarily mean we love Big Pharma or trust our governments. It's a false dichotomy that's really irritating, to me anyway.
Thu, 2021-05-20 23:46
#212
It's irritating to me too. I am not listening to Big Pharma or the government. I am listening to the science.
I am very happy we have the vaccines but we still don't know how long the protection lasts or if varients that can resist them will develop.
The really big take away I have gotten from the science is don't breath other people's air. It's fine to disinfect our hands but it is shared air that is the greatest danger and the longer an infected person is in an area the more concentrated the virus becomes.
I'm happy restrictions are being eased but it is important that people realize that it isn't because they can't catch Covid. It is still taking a risk to share air. Covid isn't gone. Just the chances of being the one that catches it are lower not non-existent.
We have known how viruses travel for centuries.
Fri, 2021-05-21 00:22
#213
It's irritating to me too. I am not listening to Big Pharma or the government. I am listening to the science.
snort.
science is not monolithic, or The Shining Truth, or beyond "interpretation".
it has a lot of angles, it's a work in progress;
at it's best it's our Best Western Understanding At the Moment.
Fri, 2021-05-21 19:59
#214
at it's best it's our Best Western Understanding At the Moment.
Apparently the Asian countries that have done better than the West are non existent. It is only the West's Big Pharma that is trying to gouge during a pandemic. The Eurasian vaccines from Russia and China are based on science and the delivery of them is based on humanity. In the meantime some people in Canada will want to look their neighbor in the eye and say fuck you my individual rights out weigh the collective good.
Our best Western understanding at this moment is best summed up by the phrase, let the devil take the hindmost.
Fri, 2021-05-21 20:31
#215
It's irritating to me too. I am not listening to Big Pharma or the government. I am listening to the science.
snort.
science is not monolithic, or The Shining Truth, or beyond "interpretation".
it has a lot of angles, it's a work in progress;
at it's best it's our Best Western Understanding At the Moment.
There is no need to swallow anything a scientist says without evaluating it nor accept every detail. For example. there has long been a debate between arosol and touching. Reading who was saying what allowed me to determine that it is primarily arosol with some surface contact transmission always possible.
I knew this winter would be bad since last May or June and I didn't need to be scientist to know it. Unless you are into conspiracy theories this is a highly contagious virus. Much more so than the flu. It was clear the government was not listening to the science and was failing to properly inform the public.
Listening to the science coming out world wide the science is very very simple. Minimize breathing the same air as other people in whatever manner you have available to you.
Sat, 2021-05-22 13:53
#216
at it's best it's our Best Western Understanding At the Moment.
Apparently the Asian countries that have done better than the West are non existent. It is only the West's Big Pharma that is trying to gouge during a pandemic. The Eurasian vaccines from Russia and China are based on science and the delivery of them is based on humanity. In the meantime some people in Canada will want to look their neighbor in the eye and say fuck you my individual rights out weigh the collective good.
are you having a vaccine reaction, or are you just really high?
Our best Western understanding at this moment is best summed up by the phrase, let the devil take the hindmost.
naw, i think our capitalist understanding can be better summed up by the phrase "we can buy-a-product our way outa this"
Sat, 2021-05-22 17:05
#217
at it's best it's our Best Western Understanding At the Moment.
Apparently the Asian countries that have done better than the West are non existent. It is only the West's Big Pharma that is trying to gouge during a pandemic. The Eurasian vaccines from Russia and China are based on science and the delivery of them is based on humanity. In the meantime some people in Canada will want to look their neighbor in the eye and say fuck you my individual rights out weigh the collective good.
are you having a vaccine reaction, or are you just really high?
You did not say why you disagree with my statement. Or are you delusional enough to think that all vaccines are bad?
Sat, 2021-05-22 20:51
#218
Here is a half hour documentary from Chinese TV on their vaccination roll out. They are hoping to vaccinate over a billion people in under a year. The video talks about why some people are hesitant and others are against it. The Chinese population has not really suffered the effects of COVID to the extent other countries have so they not all rushing to get something they are not sure they even need. It also highlights the different approaches that various health authorities are taking to get people to get the free shot. Like in most videos about China you see a lot of old people on the streets doing volunteer work because they have a low retirement age and lots of seniors with time on their hands. I found the part about the "bottleneck" in the supply chain being the vials interesting. It will be fascinating to see what happens if the people in the different health areas don't sign up in enough numbers to reach the 80% total they are looking for. So far they are relying on people voluntarily getting stabbed.
Sun, 2021-05-23 14:20
#219
at it's best it's our Best Western Understanding At the Moment.
Apparently the Asian countries that have done better than the West are non existent. It is only the West's Big Pharma that is trying to gouge during a pandemic. The Eurasian vaccines from Russia and China are based on science and the delivery of them is based on humanity. In the meantime some people in Canada will want to look their neighbor in the eye and say fuck you my individual rights out weigh the collective good.
are you having a vaccine reaction, or are you just really high?
You did not say why you disagree with my statement. Or are you delusional enough to think that all vaccines are bad?
disagree with your statement? i can't even understand it.
Sun, 2021-05-23 17:14
#220
at it's best it's our Best Western Understanding At the Moment.
Apparently the Asian countries that have done better than the West are non existent. It is only the West's Big Pharma that is trying to gouge during a pandemic. The Eurasian vaccines from Russia and China are based on science and the delivery of them is based on humanity. In the meantime some people in Canada will want to look their neighbor in the eye and say fuck you my individual rights out weigh the collective good.
are you having a vaccine reaction, or are you just really high?
You did not say why you disagree with my statement. Or are you delusional enough to think that all vaccines are bad?
disagree with your statement? i can't even understand it.
Sorry I tend to write in prose not SMS. There are lots of good on line dictionaries if you are having trouble keeping up.
Mon, 2021-05-24 08:37
#221
'We can vaccinate all vulnerable people in 39 days'
https://twitter.com/wellcometrust/status/1395315013234089988
So, why aren't we? Because rich countries have bought up the majority of vaccines."
Few complaints from citizens of rich countries where 'Internationalism' is much mouthed but little practiced alas.
Mon, 2021-05-24 14:00
#222
are you having a vaccine reaction, or are you just really high?
Charming. Never ceases to amaze me how perfectly ordinary people can be total jerks when they have a user name to hide behind. If you can't disagree with some modicum of civility, don't bother posting at all.
Mon, 2021-05-24 23:27
#223
are you having a vaccine reaction, or are you just really high?
Charming. Never ceases to amaze me how perfectly ordinary people can be total jerks when they have a user name to hide behind. If you can't disagree with some modicum of civility, don't bother posting at all.
i would suggest that my comment, in reply to what i felt was an incoherent and nonsensical post, hardly meets the "total jerk" threshold, and in fact is being flagged (unlike krop's - good christian name - reply, which casts doubt on my intelligence) because of my opinions, and because i dig in when i think something is wrong.
even if "everyone" knows it's right.
the mud-slinging that goes on here, and that line gets flagged? fishy.
Tue, 2021-05-25 11:16
#224
i would suggest that my comment, in reply to what i felt was an incoherent and nonsensical post, hardly meets the "total jerk" threshold, and in fact is being flagged (unlike krop's - good christian name - reply, which casts doubt on my intelligence) because of my opinions, and because i dig in when i think something is wrong.
even if "everyone" knows it's right.
the mud-slinging that goes on here, and that line gets flagged? fishy.
Nothing at all fishy about it. Meg can't read every post on the board herself to review it for infractions. She relies on reports or coming across something herself by chance.
Every board I have every participated on or evey read replied to excuses with the equivalent of two wrongs don't make a right. There is no right to retaliation. The policy is not written "this is against policy unless someone does it to you first".
Tue, 2021-05-25 22:47
#225
i would suggest that my comment, in reply to what i felt was an incoherent and nonsensical post, hardly meets the "total jerk" threshold, and in fact is being flagged (unlike krop's - good christian name - reply, which casts doubt on my intelligence) because of my opinions, and because i dig in when i think something is wrong.
even if "everyone" knows it's right.
the mud-slinging that goes on here, and that line gets flagged? fishy.
Nothing at all fishy about it. Meg can't read every post on the board herself to review it for infractions. She relies on reports or coming across something herself by chance.
Every board I have every participated on or evey read replied to excuses with the equivalent of two wrongs don't make a right. There is no right to retaliation. The policy is not written "this is against policy unless someone does it to you first".
3x wrongs, or inconsistently applied (and the most insulting of all the three comments, i'll point out) moderation don't make a right, neither.
boring.
Thu, 2021-05-27 17:32
#226
Cuba has begun phase three trials on its own vaccine.
The Soberana vaccines are produced by the Finlay Institute in partnership with the Centre for Molecular Immunology and the National Biopreparations Centre. The name Soberana means “sovereign”, reflecting their economic and political importance for the island – without this domestic production, Cuba would struggle to access foreign vaccines either because of their cost in international markets or because of the longstanding US embargo. These vaccines work by inserting genetic information into superior mammalian cells. Soberana Plus is the first vaccine for convalescent COVID-19 patients to reach the clinical trial stage.
http://www.timescaribbeanonline.com/the-full-story-of-cubas-covid-19-vac...
Sat, 2021-05-29 15:41
#227
"China has given over 700 million vaccines to 90+ countries. The USA has provided just 3 million (1/233 of China's). China considers vaccines a 'global public good' and gives them for very cheap or free, whereas US Big Pharma are charging a lot."
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1398642602950512649
Sun, 2021-05-30 01:17
#228
canada has extended the expiry date for the az vaccine. one would think/hope that the original expiry dates are very conservative, so perhaps no big deal. in context.
what i found interesting is how cbc radio reported, around 6pm or so, that health canada had issued the extension after it "received mathamatical modeling from the company".
within a couple hours, that had changed to the extension being issued after "reviewing real world data".
which means... absolutely nothing! go cbc! handwashing is critical!
Sun, 2021-05-30 11:22
#229
Dr John Campbell: Adverse effects & vaccine risk reduction
Post vaccine myocarditis etc.
Rich countries cornered covid-19 vaccine doses: 4 strategies to right a 'scandalous inequity'
https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1398126823523954691
"Terrific look at the inequities of covid-19 vaccine distribution."
Sun, 2021-05-30 14:38
#230
Dr John Campbell: Adverse effects & vaccine risk reduction
Post vaccine myocarditis etc.
Rich countries cornered covid-19 vaccine doses: 4 strategies to right a 'scandalous inequity'
https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1398126823523954691
"Terrific look at the inequities of covid-19 vaccine distribution."
Let's get real. Any government that vaccinates the citizens of other countries before their own would lose the next election. Paying countries like Canada had to stand in line behind other countries that had their own vaccine production facilities for that very reason. The only "solution" I see is lifting the patents.
This is a bankrupt argument that people see through right away and it causes distrust.
The moral argument aside, there’s a very practical reason to try to distribute vaccines more equitably: No part of the world can feel safe if the pandemic rages on elsewhere, posing the risk of reintroduction and spawning potentially more dangerous viral mutants.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/05/rich-countries-cornered-covid-19...
While true Canadians will not be made more safe by vaccinating all health care workers in the world before Canadians, even children. It is only when the entire world reaches herd immunity that the risk of variants will be diminished.
While there are exceptional human beings mankind is not driven by altruism and fairness but by the will to survive as comfortably as possible. We are pack animals therefore mutually dependent for survival from which is born the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That was so we could keep peace for mutual benefit. Might makes right just isn't a very good system for maximizing production.
The focus needs to be on achievable goals rather than lamenting over how terrible the western world is, although that too is useful, just not for delivering vaccines.
Sun, 2021-05-30 19:56
#231
All 135,000 people at today's Indianapolis 500 were eligible for vaccine shots! Offering vaccine shots at large gatherings may be a good way to vaccinate a larger proportion of the population.
Sun, 2021-05-30 20:09
#232
Dr John Campbell: Adverse effects & vaccine risk reduction
Post vaccine myocarditis etc.
Rich countries cornered covid-19 vaccine doses: 4 strategies to right a 'scandalous inequity'
https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1398126823523954691
"Terrific look at the inequities of covid-19 vaccine distribution."
Let's get real. Any government that vaccinates the citizens of other countries before their own would lose the next election. Paying countries like Canada had to stand in line behind other countries that had their own vaccine production facilities for that very reason. The only "solution" I see is lifting the patents.
This is a bankrupt argument that people see through right away and it causes distrust.
The moral argument aside, there’s a very practical reason to try to distribute vaccines more equitably: No part of the world can feel safe if the pandemic rages on elsewhere, posing the risk of reintroduction and spawning potentially more dangerous viral mutants.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/05/rich-countries-cornered-covid-19...
While true Canadians will not be made more safe by vaccinating all health care workers in the world before Canadians, even children. It is only when the entire world reaches herd immunity that the risk of variants will be diminished.
While there are exceptional human beings mankind is not driven by altruism and fairness but by the will to survive as comfortably as possible. We are pack animals therefore mutually dependent for survival from which is born the golden rule. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That was so we could keep peace for mutual benefit. Might makes right just isn't a very good system for maximizing production.
The focus needs to be on achievable goals rather than lamenting over how terrible the western world is, although that too is useful, just not for delivering vaccines.
With the elderly vulnerable now vaccinated throughout most of the industralized world generally, maybe it would make more sense to send vaccines to other countries so they can protect their vulnerable rather than threatening to impose restrictions on unvaccinated people in the industralized world, especially if we're talking about unvaccinated people not likely to experience a bad outcome from covid.
Sun, 2021-05-30 20:24
#233
Re #230
"No one that ever lived ever thought so crooked as we."
Samuel Beckett, Endgame
Mon, 2021-05-31 15:19
#234
Here is a piece by Chinese state media about the efficacy of various vaccines. So far it looks like the BigPharma vaccines are not performing as well as their price tags would suggest they should.
Tue, 2021-06-01 14:51
#235
What's with Van Morrison? Has he become part of an anti-reality contingent? What we need is an end to lucrative patents, as well as vaccine sharing, not this nutty denial:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/sep/22/northern-ireland-health-mi... This is an old article but seems to still be circulating among anti-vaxxers and their ilk.
Thu, 2021-06-03 14:04
#236
By backing drug patents, Bill Gates helped create a vaccine tragedy
"The Bill Gates-big Pharma model has been a disaster, with pharmaceutical companies making astronomical profits as they dole out scarce supplies of their patented COVID vaccines to the highest bidders, writes Linda McQuaig..."
Mon, 2021-06-21 16:02
#237
World Health Organization recommendation regarding vaccines for young people:
Children should not be vaccinated for the moment.
There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults. However, children should continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines.
Mon, 2021-06-21 16:11
#238
Tue, 2021-06-22 15:41
#239
With the elderly vulnerable now vaccinated throughout most of the industralized world generally, maybe it would make more sense to send vaccines to other countries so they can protect their vulnerable rather than threatening to impose restrictions on unvaccinated people in the industralized world, especially if we're talking about unvaccinated people not likely to experience a bad outcome from covid.
Both children and people who are vaccinated continue to be able to transmit the virus. It would be more moral to vaccinate the vulnerable worldwide first but it would not be better for unvaccinated westerners over the age of 12.
What we need to do, which Canada stands opposed to, is lift the patents so production can be ramped up. It seems to be accepted that we will soon need boosters.
We don't need to dole out charity vaccines we need to let them produce vaccines.
Tue, 2021-06-22 21:01
#240
It would be more moral to vaccinate the vulnerable worldwide first but it would not be better for unvaccinated westerners over the age of 12.
Given the number of heart problems that are coming up in young people after taking the vaccine, it would be better for anybody under the age of 20 to not take the vaccine unless they had a particular immune health issue putting them at higher risk for covid.
What we need to do, which Canada stands opposed to, is lift the patents so production can be ramped up.
Won't happen. There's too much money and power at stake.
It seems to be accepted that we will soon need boosters.
"We" don't need anything. Boost yourself to your heart's content if you feel their benefits outweigh their risks. Other people have decided to trust their immune systems to do the job they were designed to do.
Tue, 2021-06-22 21:25
#241
Tue, 2021-06-22 21:30
#242
Tue, 2021-06-22 21:37
#243
WHO warns that Delta variant of coronavirus will 'pick off' the unvaccinated
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/22/coro-j22.html
"This particular Delta variant is faster, it is fitter, it will pick off the more vulnerable more efficiently than previous variants. And therefore if there are vulnerable people left without vaccination they remain at even further risk..."
Tue, 2021-06-22 22:29
#244
I don't take the WHO's advice. They got it wrong a lot. International travel should have been halted immediately while the situation was being assessed and tests were being developed and manufactured. Had we contained hotspots this would have been over a year ago. Discouraging mask wearing for self-protection was stupid. Sending the message it was only a threat to old people was stupid. It is no secret that runaway new viruses mutate.
We are sailing along to wave #4 with the Delta variant and it doesn't have to be that way. Before the pandemic surgical masks were 10 cents each. We should all have access to effective well fitted masks suited to different activities at a reasonable cost. Ventilation is much more important than constant disinfection of surfaces. People need to be able to make the cost benefit analysis for themselves. We are talking degree of risk not absence of risk. People can then make informed decisions about mitigating their risks and that of their loved ones in relation to their particular life circumstances. Covid 19 testing should be available for anyone who wants it.
Wed, 2021-06-23 20:21
#245
Nearly every new Covid-19 death is now entirely preventable, CDC director says; CNN; By Madeline Holcombe, CNN; June 23, 2021
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"Covid-19 vaccines are available for everyone ages 12 and up," US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Tuesday at a White House briefing. "They are nearly 100% effective against severe disease and death -- meaning nearly every death due to Covid-19 is particularly tragic, because nearly every death, especially among adults, due to Covid-19 is at this point entirely preventable."
Those still dying from Covid-19 in the US are "overwhelmingly" unvaccinated, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN.
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Wed, 2021-06-23 20:54
#246
Failure, of adults at least, to get the vaccine is just symptomatic of a too prevalent lack of social responsibility and callousness. It's no accident that, in the U.S. at least, areas that took the least amount of preventative measures before the vaccine are the areas with the least amount of vaccinated individuals.
Thu, 2021-06-24 10:52
#247
Missouri has become the latest COVID-19 hot spot in the U.S., recording the country’s highest rate in new infections, a surge health officials have largely attributed to the highly transmissible delta variant and vaccine hesitancy.
Fri, 2021-06-25 19:44
#248
Saskatchewan physician suspended after advocating against vaccination of adolescents:
A Saskatoon surgeon who publicly made claims concerning COVID-19 vaccines has been suspended from the University of Saskatchewan College of Medicine and fired by the Saskatchewan Health Authority (SHA).Dr. Francis Christian appeared in an online video where he called for the pause of the COVID-19 vaccinations for children and called the vaccines "experimental injections."
Christian reiterated his claim during a June 17 media availability held outside Walter Murray Collegiate where he refused to answer questions from reporters.
Fri, 2021-06-25 19:47
#249
Nearly every new Covid-19 death is now entirely preventable, CDC director says; CNN; By Madeline Holcombe, CNN; June 23, 2021----------------
"Covid-19 vaccines are available for everyone ages 12 and up," US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Tuesday at a White House briefing. "They are nearly 100% effective against severe disease and death -- meaning nearly every death due to Covid-19 is particularly tragic, because nearly every death, especially among adults, due to Covid-19 is at this point entirely preventable."
Those still dying from Covid-19 in the US are "overwhelmingly" unvaccinated, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN.
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After unprofessional theatrical performances like this by Walensky and the e-mails showing that Fauci knew different things than what he was saying publicly before covid became a pandemic, it's a wonder why anybody takes these individuals or the organisations which they lead seriously any more.
Fri, 2021-06-25 19:49
#250
A CDC safety group said there’s a “likely association” between a rare heart inflammatory condition in adolescents and young adults mostly after they’ve received their second Covid-19 vaccine shot, citing the most recent data available.
There have been more than 1,200 cases of a myocarditis or pericarditis mostly in people 30 and under who received Pfizer’s or Moderna’s Covid vaccine, according to a series of slide presentations published Wednesday for a meeting of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices.
Myocarditis is the inflammation of the heart muscle, while pericarditis is the inflammation of the membrane surrounding the heart.
“Clinical presentation of myocarditis cases following vaccination has been distinct, occurring most often within one week after dose two, with chest pain as the most common presentation,” said Dr. Grace Lee, who chairs the committee’s safety group. CDC officials are gathering more data to fully understand the potential risks, how to manage it and whether there are any long-term issues, she said.
Fri, 2021-06-25 21:45
#251
After unprofessional theatrical performances like this by Walensky and the e-mails showing that Fauci knew different things than what he was saying publicly before covid became a pandemic, it's a wonder why anybody takes these individuals or the organisations which they lead seriously any more.
Fauci and Walensky are internationally respected immunologists.