War in Syria 5

kropotkin1951 wrote:

POTUS's are all war criminals, it comes with the job description.

Indeed, and Chomsky gives the chapter and verse.

What's AI and NED?

AI is probably the most famous human rights organization in the world. Why should they be mistrusted?  In any case, it seems to me that millions of Syrians think Assad's a brutal dictator,

The German state had to enter Czechoslovakia to protect the Sudeten German population from human rights abuses. The reason why the UN Charter was drafted like it was is because aggressors always use human rights as their excuse. Unfortunately the world lost its mind and now has entered into a world where US based NGO's point out the faults of selective regimes that do not bend the knee to imperial power and then they and the Western media ramp up the human rights propaganda, as a prelude to invading, for the good of the people.

I support the UN Charter not NATO's rule's based order and if you cannot see the intersection with the propaganda arm and the endless wars over the last two decade then you are really missing the action.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/11/08/amnesty-international-and-the-hu...

 

It's time to end the US War on Syria not restart it

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/07/23/its-time-to-end-the-u-s-war-on-s...

"In May, the AP claimed President Biden would soon put a stop to a US energy company's ongoing theft of oil from a region in Syria that's illegally occupied by US troops. So far it's not clear anything has changed. Syrian oil reportedly continues to be extracted by Americans, in what constitutes 'pillaging' under international law.

The company is owned by an ex-US special forces operative and a George W Bush administration appointee. Some may be surprised by this. Sadly, the boots-on-the-ground occupation in eastern Syria is just the tip of the iceberg.

Worse yet, even after 10 years of war and much of the country in ruins  - and despite recent relative stability that's allowed for the return of some of the millions of displaced - the Biden administration appears poised to prolong Syria's suffering..."

Hopefully its end is coming soon. But continued cheerleading for its nastiness by so-called 'progressives' repeating its imperial talking points is hard to take. Hedges suggests an explanation:  'Why is the malaise of a dying civilization expressed through sadism rather than righteous anger...?'

Chris Hedges: The HORRIFIC State of the American Empire

https://youtu.be/VXYsGuBdzM4

https://youtu.be/OGCFVc-5yTM

'Why is the malaise of a dying civilization expressed through sadism rather than righteous anger?'

BBC Admits Douma Chemical Attack Report Hid Serious Inaccuracies (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/in-question/534194-taliban-invites-select-count...

@12:30 'The BBC has admitted to flaws [lies] in the coverage of its reporting on the alleged chemical attack in Douma, Syria in 2018. RT's Shadia-Edwards Dashti has the details. Former UK MP George Galloway shares his perspective."

 

Aaron Mate: To Keep Troops in Syria, US Leaders are Lying Like Afghanistan

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1435628650582274053

"While claiming to oppose 'endless military deployments' abroad, the Biden administration is keeping hundreds of US troops in Syria. The result of the bipartisan Trump-Biden strategy in Syria is the further immiseration of a war-ravaged nation. Unable to freely access its own fuel and wheat as the US military hoards Syria's agricultural and economic 'powerhouse', Syria faces what the UN calls 'staggering levels of impoverishment.'

Creative Chaos: How US Planners Sparked the Anti-Govt Protests of the So-Called Arab Spring in Syria

https://twitter.com/WVanwagenen/status/1488209373696446464

"There is clear evidence that US planners not only intervened in the Syrian conflict after it erupted but that they covertly sparked the conflict itself.

US planners prepared for years to ignite a sectarian civil war in Syria resembling that in neighboring Iraq, and successfully engineered the anti-government protests that erupted in March 2011 for this purpose..."

 

Repressive dictatorships are strengthened internally by the existence of external enemies, particularly world straddling external enemies with flying killer robots.  Perhaps Syrians could take care of their own problems if we succeeded in pressuring our declining empire to stop fucking around in other people's countries.

Mobo2000 wrote:

Repressive dictatorships are strengthened internally by the existence of external enemies, particularly world straddling external enemies with flying killer robots.  Perhaps Syrians could take care of their own problems if we succeeded in pressuring our declining empire to stop fucking around in other people's countries.

I agree with you completely. The Syrian and Iraq and Libyan governments were brutal in their suppression of Islamic extremists and as with all police state actions innocents get chewed up in the process. I remember when Canada used to send people they suspected of being jihadists to Syria to get tortured. Canada and Canadians are far from morally superior.

Pity the country that the US wants to help. The death toll from any of those three secular socialist one party states in their fight against jihadists were at most a few thousand a year with many of those not being innocents.

Our white man's burden has led to a death count in the hundreds of thousands. The cure is obviously far worse than the disease of sovereign states that are not controlled from Riyadh or Washington.

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The death toll from any of those three secular socialist one party states in their fight against jihadists were at most a few thousand a year with many of those not being innocents.

One-party governments run into problems when they are perceived as representing just a portion or faction of their country’s population. A one-party government can succeed if it is seen as representing the interests of at least most people in the country, if not almost all the country’s people. Arguably China is in this category. So was Singapore when it was a representative benevolent dictatorship. If the one-party governments in Iraq, Libya, and, Syria had been perceived as representative benevolent governments they would likely still be doing well ruling their respective countries today. Unfortunately they were perceived as ruling in the interests of a faction of their population and not in the interests of their whole population and this led to catastrophe.

If the one-party governments in Iraq, Libya, and, Syria had been perceived as representative benevolent governments they would likely still be doing well ruling their respective countries today.

Perceived by who? None of those governments was overthrown by their own people.

"US special forces have killed the leader of the jihadist group ISIS in a raid in northwest Syria, says President Joe Biden."

https://CBCNews/status/1489267630590545925

'CIA sidekick' gives 2.6m pounds to UK media groups
https://twitter.com/johnpilger/status/1489565061031075844

"The reporting of the killing of an ISIS leader in Syria is pure propaganda. The Guardian's source is Joe Biden, no less. It covers up a typical US massacre of men, women and children. READ THIS piece of real journalism by Matt Kennard on Declassified UK..."

'He who pays the piper calls the tune.' - Anon.

Israel approves plan to double settler population in Golan

https://twitter.com/richimedhurst/status/1512849862605381632

"Shamelessly kicking people out of their homes to make way for settlers is not just limited to Sheikh Jarrah, it's standard Israeli policy. They are also doubling the number of settlers now in the illegally occupied Syrian Golan Heights."

To Apartheid Israel, all things are permitted.

Meet the Criminals Who Are Starving Syrians

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1539011384326881281

"Meet the criminals who are starving Syrians. Before 2011, Syria was a major exporter of wheat. After the US occupation of the NE and daily theft and burnings, Syrian wheat production fell from 4 million tons in 2011 to 1 million tons, 2021..."

 

Gonzalo Lira in Kharkov (and vid)

https://youtu.be/Mvjs3a4Vi_o

"Israel provokes Russia." [In Syria]

Biden Orders U.S. Airstrikes in Syria Against Fighters with Alleged Links to Iran

The United States launched a series of attacks inside Syria this week, targeting what the Pentagon described as Iranian proxies. U.S. Central Command reports that on Wednesday U.S. helicopter gunships killed up to three “suspected Iran-backed militants” after two bases housing U.S. troops in northeastern Syria came under rocket fire. A day earlier, U.S. warplanes struck near Deir ez-Zor in an oil-rich region along Syria’s eastern border with Iraq. The Pentagon says President Biden ordered the airstrikes to target fighters linked to Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Congress has not formally authorized U.S. military action in Syria, and last month about 60% of House Democrats voted to end the U.S. military’s role in Syria.

Ho hum, POTUS orders military actions in sovereign nation. Of course they have the right to do that since no one can stop them including their own people.

Canada Spy Smuggled UK's Shamima Begum Into Syria: New Book

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/31/calls-for-inquiry-after-british...

"...The Secret History of The Five Eyes by Richard Kerbay, a former security correspondent of the Sunday Times, said that the UK later conspired with Canada to cover up the role of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) in the case of Begum, who married an ISIL (ISIS) fighter.

A CSIS spokesperson told the BBC he could not publicly comment on or confirm or deny the specifics of CSIS investigations, operational interests, methodologies or activities..."

Notice the obvious calls for an inquiry are from UK not Canada's sleepy hollow politicians who 'go with the flow' and only ask questions they are told to.

Canada's deeply malevolent role in the West's attempted destruction of Syria has yet to be fully apprehended, never mind those responsible held accountable and punished as they should be. Once again msm propaganda and demonization ensures that never happens.

Unlike Russia, with the murderous apartheid state of Israel all things are permitted, including bombing the neighbours.

Ha, yes.  

But I am wondering where the self-determination police are.   We hear much at babble and in the MSM about using NATO's military power to defend the self determination of populations under threat.

Is Syria exempt  or do they get to have self determination and sovereignty?   US bases installed without permission.  US forces operating without permission.   Flying killer robots blowing up airports.   Sounds like something folks concerned about self-determination should care about.

 

JKR wrote:

When has self determination ever existed  under the Assad family dictatorship? Unfortunately instead of self-determination, under the cruel Assad family dictatorship, division, refugees, and ruin are what dominate Syria.

Who the fuck are you to dismiss the Syrian people who fought on behalf of their secular nation against religious extremists. Israel is another religious aggressor here and you shout regime change. Your NATO centric view of all international relations is on plain display.

The path to self-determination for the Syrian people is having open and fair elections. Unfortunately that doesn't seem like it can happen for the foreseeable future. I agree that it would be best if there was no interference in Syria from abroad, be it from NATO, Iran, Israel, Russia, or ISIS.

Mobo2000 wrote:

Ha, yes.  

But I am wondering where the self-determination police are.   We hear much at babble and in the MSM about using NATO's military power to defend the self determination of populations under threat.

Is Syria exempt  or do they get to have self determination and sovereignty?   US bases installed without permission.  US forces operating without permission.   Flying killer robots blowing up airports.   Sounds like something folks concerned about self-determination should care about.

 

I don't know anything about the conflicts in Syria. It isn't a democratic country so the people don't have self-determination. Generally speaking NATO and Israel are always wrong. Ukraine is the exception to the rule and NATO forces are not directly involved. Much as Putin like to claim the war is with NATO only Ukrainian soldiers are fighting Russia.

'Regime-Change' in Hamas and a Return to Syria

https://thecradle.co/Article/Analysis/16060

"The removal of Khaled Meshaal from power was necessary for normalization with Damascus to occur."

 

Former French FM on Syria (and vid)

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1573412132921769984

"The UK orchestrated the Syrian 'revolution' to destabilize the Syrian government due to its anti-Israel tendencies..."